I don’t know, I could be wrong about this, but something is not right. Google has finally entered the music space with it’s One Box music search feature in brilliant fashion, well position to become the new radio, complete with favoritism and major label cronyism.
Google is now going to serve up links to songs from major online retailers at the top of it’s search page, whenever you search on a song name, or artist name, or lyric. It will let you play the song once, and then take you to an option to purchase the song or subscribe to a major music service. The other search results are pushed down the page. Except for the ads, of course.
I was at the Google Discover Music Launch Event in October ’09 in LA. Google’s VP of Search Products and User Experience Marissa Mayer said that “Music is one of Google’s top ten searches of all time, as is lyrics. But it hasn’t always been easy to actually find music, which is why Google is looking to offer full song streaming directly from Google.” What is this bullshit all about?
Does a band actually have to buy an ad now in order to be above the fold in Google search results?
Is the only way to be at the top of the page to sign a deal with a major label or online retailer?
What about a level playing field? How about putting the fan in control?
And what is this about Vevo, a service Google is reportedly developing with Universal, Sony and some investors from Abu Dhabi?
This all sounds very suspicious to me and I need to know more…
Read more about Google music and independent artists at Music Power Network.





My two daughters are just now beginning to record their originals in hopes of making a living with their talent. Everything I have read over the last two months has been overwhelming and disheartening. Knowing what to do in the maze of the music industry right now is confusing. Thanks for your article.
What I think is that Google is heading for antitrust lawsuits (see Wired). In that situation, it would be wise to stay well clear of vertical integration, because the Us Gov will obviously get suspicious that they fix search results to get their partners and subsidiaries (eg. YouTube) on top of the page.
How naive we all are to think those with power would just lie down and let a level play field become the new status qou
Thanks for the thought provoking article, Dave. I am sharing it with all my friends, musician and other wise. I will get back to you after mulling it over.
Pam Mark Hall
Aberto
Well, the whole anti-trust angle needs some further exploration. Thanks for the tip and I will check further into it.
dave
Here’s a tip since you can’t do anything right now: Use goosh.org for the search.
Seriously, this was bound to happen and it will only get more and more obvious that for the majority of the people now Web actually is Google, Facebook and Myspace. It’s a fact and “They” will use it for… Profit.
Dave,
A VERY thought provoking piece here… When the announcement dropped last week I didn’t really think much of it beyond “oh, clever.” Recent studies show a drop off in P2P and from what I understand if you make it easier for the public to purchase music they will…. this new Google search certainly makes that easier but it did not occur to me that this would knock the bands own pages off of the top of searches. This is indeed another blow to artists who work hard to promote themselves online and keep their sites updated and integrated with Social Media and iTunes links (I’m about to run an interview about why this is critical at MusicThinkTank.com and I know you will agree with that more than ever. I just Googled a bunch of lyrics and it seems the new protocol is not fully in place (yet). Thanks for pointing all of this out – I’m officially at a loss for words. I’m looking forward to seeing more feedback from artists.
Good article and you raise some valid concerns, but I just don’t see this having a major effect either way for indepentent artists. At least with regard to search. Most won’t be available through the major owned services and, having no results on those services, I would expect their organic results from bandcamp type sites to rise to the top. Or MySpace even, assuming it continues to be at all relevant. An indie act can control their music through MySpace anyway, so I don’t see them as a big bad yet despite who owns them. If Google supresses results in those cases, then yeah, we have a big problem.
But there is, I think, a bigger issue here. That being, how relevent is non-live non-social search to an indie act in the first place? In my experience, not very. People don’t search for artists they don’t know about. Indie artists cultivate their communities pro-actively and virally via social media. And Google is still way late to that party by ignoring live results.
Again, valid points though and thanks for bringing this concern to light!
Hey Dave, I think it’s great to see Google directly enter the music space (YouTube was their indirect entry..), but I agree that they are walking along a fine line. I will say that LaLa’s catalog seems to expand all the time, and Google has been a great resource from The Long Tail over time. Let’s hope it doesn’t change!
I also think they learned their lesson the hard way from YouTube’s unprofitable streaming business, and decided to piggyback licensing off of those with current deals in place. I guarantee LaLa, iLike, etc. were plenty happy to hear this decision!
-Adam
Ariel
Thanks for the comments. Unfortunately is becoming more difficult for indie bands and artists every day. I am hoping that a lot more people will pick up on this and start to express their opinions.
Jimmie
This is a great point you make “how relevent is non-live non-social search to an indie act in the first place? … People don’t search for artists they don’t know about. Indie artists cultivate their communities pro-actively and virally via social media. And Google is still way late to that party by ignoring live results.”
My understanding is that Google will soon begin indexing Twitter and other live feeds in their search results. Lets see how this effects things.
Thanks for the comments!
dave
Hi Adam
I think this whole thing is paving the way for Google to gobble up the remaining players with licenses and own the music space. We will see.
dave
I’ve tried calling SoundExchange and emailing lala before posting this but still have no answer to one simple question:
Does lala pay royalties on the streams we get through these google search results?
If so, independent artists are not being pushed aside by major label cronyism as lala is a partner of CD Baby. Simply make your music available throught that channel and you’re in. CD Baby has stated so publicly via their podcast.
Also, this “discovery” service doesn’t help me discover anything, really, since I have to have an artists name or lyric to search for in the first place. Until they begin to recommend music (from majors and not indies) I can’t put together how this becomes google doing anything detrimental to independent artists.
The pop up player window does have a buy button but one would assume that is a button the artist has authorized via agreement with lala, etc. I’ve seen no ads yet and don’t see how google would benefit from them. They’ve already served up exactly what the user asked for with the play button.
Here’s what does seem to be likely if google is looking to mine this data for unforseen profits. How about google as the new soundscan? If they become the dominant channel through which music search/acquisition is performed, could they not package that data just as they do in google analytics for web sites? Wouldn’t it be very easy for them to undercut soundscan and offer the data analysis tools to artists? I’d like to see such data concerning my works and similar artists and would probably pay, if I could afford it. Can’t do that with soundscan today on my budget.
Thanks for the forum for this conversation. It’s a lot to think about as things change in our industry.
Your thoughtful article also highlights the growing contest between Google and Apple. There are many dimensions to this: Android vs iPhone (shades of MSFT & Apple battle over OS) and now Google Music vs iTunes (still the $-per track model as you point out)-though I read an interesting article a few weeks ago that points out the ultimate problem of purchasing tracks, movies, books etc-is storage, and surmises that eventually consumers will be content to have their content in the cloud. Apple of course is positioned to become a cloud player.
The future is very interesting?
I just bought your book. Don’t know why I waited so long. Thanks Dave!
Gonna check out MPN later today.
When I first heard Google was going to do something in music, I was excited. There was potential there.
When I saw what they did, I was beyond unimpressed.
And I wondered why nobody seemed upset that the major labels had just purchased top search results?
I imagine it will be particularly perplexing for artists that were on majors and still have rights owned by them – but are now releasing music on their own…..
Thanks for the article
Kirk A-Zar
so far as I know the streams are free. no one is getting paid. then the retail links take over.
Hi Michael
May we live in interesting times. the future is sure exciting. just have to keep in balance with what is thrown at us.
thanks
dave
If I understand correctly, if an artist doesn’t use services like LaLa and the others that are collaborating with Google, then their songs won’t show up at the top spot? If it is that important, then maybe artists can avoid putting their material up in those services so that their own home page or service of choice will be top spot when searched?
Great article, Dave.
Cheers,
It won’t work and its non sensical. Kids don’t pay for music period. They don’t care about streaming songs of the internet and don’t care about one click purchasing retail solutions. The people that do use these services are people that are just not tech savvy enough to realize the free channels at which to obtain music and thats not the target audience I would build my future business upon.
As long as there exists a listenable and acceptable non drm format(mp3), a cool gadget(ipod,iphone), torrents, services like rapidshare and megaupload, and net neutrality, google is and will always be chasing their tales with this sh*t.
And finally if Google does roll this crap out people will simply be annoyed with the advertising a go to another search solution. There are plenty of those waiting to take the spillover.
The ranking of the artist web site in search results was the first thing I wondered about when this deal emerged. If Google can deliver OneBox based on a phrase from a lyric, they can deliver the artist web site higher in the result, which I think makes for a better user experience.
Kirk A-Zar & Dave,
I have the same question about the “free” stream. If it is free does that mean that the entities that licensed to these services waived the fees for these particular streams? Given that the deals are setup on a per stream basis, it would seem that something would have had to change. And if the independent distributors like CD Baby (who are not the rights holders) waived the per stream fees, wouldn’t they have had to get permission from the rights holders, which in many cases is the artist?
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I am confused. I’m trying to find the conspiracy, but I just don’t see it. Last time I checked, MySpace was owned by News Corp, not a major label. And the press release from Google indicated they are driving traffic not just to Myspace and LaLa (but not to Gracenote, as claimed here), but also to imeem, Rhapsody and Pandora. To my knowledge, Rhapsody (Real Networks) and Pandora have taken no funding from music labels. Regardless, these sites collectively cover a large amount of music from independent labels.
As for Gracenote, they have no music service, so it is confusing to me that they would be lumped in with the mix of companies in the google search results. Google’s press release explains that they are providing lyrics, and as anyone familiar with Gracenote knows, their database is all-encompassing and not limited only to music from major labels.
So at the very least, the article here seems to be cherry picking facts, but there appears to be a substantial amount of misinformation or lack of information. Is there really a conspiracy? This is not to say that search results won’t be biased towards high profile results (I don’t know), but logically that would seem to make sense to me. Most people will want to search for high profile music, and they would be silly to not tune searches for the most likely results.
I suppose conspiracy theories make for good press. The earth would probably jerk off its axis if someone didn’t propose at least one here.
I think you make some fantastic points, ones I’m actually a little ashamed I didn’t think about the first 10 times I read about the upcoming service and was kinda intrigued by it. On the flip side, google is a company, and how it chooses to run its company is its own prerogative, even if that ends up unfortunately working against artists. If people don’t like the model, they’ll have to switch to another search engine that offers something better in their view.
Confused, MySpace Music is a joint venture between the four major labels and MySpace. Warner Music is a significant shareholder in imeem. Many of the interactive streaming deals have included an ownership stake as a part of the compensation to secure licensing.
I don’t think it’s conspiratorial; it’s a fact of how the licensing deals have gone down. Access to their catalogs is traded for an equity stake. And whatever value or gain is derived from that stake will not find its way to artist royalty accounts.
If artists are really connecting with their fans through email and social networks in the first place, why would the search result for a band name/title of song matter? Wouldn’t the fan just follow a link from an email or social network?
Just curious, how often do you find a new band by Googling the name? If you planned on actually buying a track, would you really go to Google first? What about iTunes, Amazon, AmieStreet, Bandcamp, blah blah blah? I’ve never seen someone Google a song to purchase it.
To me it just seems like Google is trying to put in a middle man that isn’t necessary. Although I would prepare, I would not worry about it.
The lyrics Google talks about being searched so much are probably from major label’s top 100s. I doubt it’s a typical way for a fan to really connect with an artist and have long term value.
I don’t know, I could be wrong about this, but I think smaller artists will be fine.
Dear Confused
Maybe you could tell us who you really are. It must be fun to post comments on people’s blogs anonymously.
There was no mention of a conspiracy in my post, just healthy commentary on a situation that runs contrary to the indie trend. Big music is over and even Google is not going to change that. I was just trying to point out some challenges to the model presented by Google when the rest of the coverage was pablum from the press event.
I still believe that the indie artists are getting the raw deal here. Not sure how you make your living (because, well… ) but most artists I know struggle for their daily bread. We have to band together to find a new path to positive cash flow in the music business.
Dave
I agree with some of these comments. At first I thought it was going to be great. Then I actually saw it. How do I control the search functionality? It’s clearly screwed to the provider. It’s returning results that I prefer not to represent as my songs. In fact I am not considering making some of this music “out of print” because what is returned in Google Music searches is not representative of my material anymore. I am quite frustrated. Not to mention the iLike/Garageband agreement. Go back and re-read that. If you upload your stuff you give up any rights to get paid for it (outside of sales). No performance royalties and MySpace/iLike can use it to their hearts content.
Anyway we all know it’s a struggle for indie artists. It always has been. It’s driving me nuts but I keep on plugging away. We need to put our heads together that’s all I can say.
A sincere good luck to everyone,
-|/_ peace
Dear Dr. Kusek:
> I enjoyed your informative entry on the google Payola situation.
> It’s time to stop being emotional and to put on your fightin’
> gloves….
>
> I found your post via Robert Lamm’s site, Blueinfinitymusic.com. I’d
> like to recommend a book that might help you better comprehend the
> engineering battle behind what is happening with the searches. This
> is important, as the battlefield is no longer one about music, but
> about engineering and the internet landscape. The book is called
> Blown to Bits, and it is written by Hal Abelson, Ken Ledeen, and
> Harry Lewis. (Harry Lewis was the Dean of Harvard College, and he
> teaches engineering at Harvard). He released the book under a
> creative commons license, and it can be viewed at http://
> bitsbook.com. I recommend chapter 6 for you to read as a start.
> The book is loaded with references to important academic blogs which
> provide fresh information about net neutrality, etc. Link to the
> blogs.
>
> The key points in the battle over access take place at the server
> priority level (access to high speed servers, for example),
> filtering, bandwidth, software needs, software licenses, and
> reliability of service.
>
> The war is being fought by people and their machines.
Years ago, I sold things on Ebay. I discovered through my sales experience that search result filtering can be done (star sellers are rewarded with better presentation in search result pages). How can that be offered if altering search results can’t be controlled – right?
> Artists need to unite and sue google for every infraction of a song
> paid without copyright permission. Artists need to consider going to MIT and
> interviewing engineers about the current (and evolving) structure of
> the internet in order to learn how they can enjoy fair access status
> on servers, searche’s, etc. Oh ..Don’t let google tell you that the
> information can’t be retrieved. (They’ll keep the
> records of plays to track listening/sales patterns). A cease and
> desist order from united musicians might help.
>
> Please read Robert Lamm’s little post about his plan to have an
> “unauthorized remix” done from Chicago songs. He identifies the situation
> that the band is in (a kind of legal homelessness mixed with a
> desire to still have their music be heard). The band is, I think, in
> a unique situation to blaze a trail (or cut the path). If I were
> the band’s lawyer, I’d grab the concepts of the creative commons
> license (which was used by youtube), grab the tradition model of
> music creation, distribution, and copy law, and study them against
> this modern grid of servers, searches, access, filters, copys,
> software rights, etc. I’d then work out my own “Memorandum of
> Understanding” for all parties having a music business relationship
> with the band that protects the band, allows listeners quick access
> to their music, protects copying, and reflects the modern internet/
> communication structure. In other words I’d design and then push
> for a new law that prohibits a search engine like google from
> unauthorized capture and playing of music, etc. It’s a lot of work,
> but it’s worth it. If Chicago can’t do it alone, I suggest uniting
> with others bands. If they sought advice from folks at MIT, they
> could have a voice against the corporations designing a structure that -in my opinion – allows stealing music from an artist.
> The book Blown to Bits exposes the technology behind the business of
> copying songs. The battlefield is in full action. Although certain individuals don’t own the key servers (yet), it’s an important part of this battle to watch.
>
> I confess that I’ll resort, as a music customer, to going to a large
> retail site to buy music if I can’t successfully do it quickly from
> the band’s site. I am suspicious, however, that the large retailers
> have access to servers that the band’s sites don’t enjoy. Is that
> legal? It would be like allowing major retailers access to a highway while leaving all other traffic the option of side roads or horse and buggy. I wouldn’t be surprised, either, if the large retailers
> figured out ways to deny access (or slow down access) to band sites so that frustrated customers buy their music at one of the major retailer sites. It’s worth looking into.
>
> Thank you for your patience in listening to my rambling here. I
> hope the book recommendation is helpful. Please continue to post to
blueinfinitymusic.com
> – I’ll be watching! Oh..check out the book Access Denied, too. It has a country by country organization showing that filtering is, indeed, taking place. (So..the software exists to do this).! Thank you for your concern for the artists!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sandra Perkins
> An old Chicago fan
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